Rediscovering creativity
A conversation with Hannah Ashe on life as a teacher, banishing perfectionism and learning to savour process over result
Welcome to TBOI,
Today I am really pleased to share with you my first ever Substack collaboration!Â
and I connected via Substack last October when I discovered a series of posts that she wrote about her career change. Similar to Hannah, I was a full-time teacher, and so everything that she shared about her experiences with managing boundaries, dealing with burnout, how to think about money when you leave the security of a permanent position, and how to reinvigorate our creativity all struck a familiar chord.ÂHannah describes herself as a multi-hyphenate, and so alongside a part-time teaching role, she has an interior design business, she makes jewellery, and is a writer and a podcaster. I loved following Hannah’s first Substack podcast series ‘Inspiring Creative Career Change’ where she spoke with women who have all explored new paths, ranging from designers, artists, adventure athletes, and my personal favourite - when Hannah shared her own career change story.
And so, feeling inspired by the work that Hannah was doing, I contacted her to ask if she wanted to collaborate on a piece. Fortunately, she said yes! A little back and forth, and managing time zone differences later, Hannah and I got together over Zoom in April to discuss our respective career paths to date, the mixture of feelings about leaving a permanent role, how we feel about creativity, and how we celebrate achievements.Â
If you would like to listen to your conversation, please head to Hannah’s newsletter by clicking this link, and you will also be able to listen to the rest of her interview series about creative career change.
We would love to hear from you about this conversation. See you in the comments!
In this post, you can find a copy of the transcript, which has been edited for brevity.
Our backgrounds
Hannah Ashe: Sarah and I came across each other's work several months ago on Substack and it became really clear immediately that we had so much in common. And we connected on Zoom because Sarah lives on the other side of the world, which I'm sure she's gonna explain shortly. So we decided it'd be a good idea for us to have a conversation and see where it went. So I'm gonna hand over to Sarah to introduce herself.Â
Sarah Best: Thanks, Hannah. I came to Substack about 5 months ago, and Hannah's newsletter was actually one of the first that I discovered. I was just saying before we started recording this, that I was not quite sure how we connected specifically. But I just remember thinking that Hannah’s work really resonated about teaching, about career change, about creativity. Even things like multi-hyphenate careers and things like that, because we had both been working full time in education for most of our lives!
Hannah: Yeah, absolutely.
Sarah: But we also both left (teaching) around the same time. So it was very interesting timing. I'm not based in the UK, I live in Hong Kong. I moved out here to teach and have taught in some other countries as well outside of the UK. But I decided to leave my full-time permanent job last August to pursue a few things; one of which was just to see if I could do something else outside of teaching and also to finish a postgraduate degree that I actually started a few years ago.
Hannah: And so my background is pretty similar in lots of ways. I think we're approximately a similar age. I'm 38.
Sarah: I am 41.
Hannah: I think we've been teaching for a similar amount of time, haven't we? I started teaching in 2007.Â
Sarah: Same, yeah.
Hannah: We've been teaching for about 16 years. I was a music teacher in a secondary school. And, Sarah, you were psychology. Is that right?
Sarah: My route into psychology was a bit odd. I actually did a business degree but I was more drawn to psychology and sociology. And so actually, I never taught any business. I went straight into teaching psychology and sociology. And yeah, I taught psychology for basically my entire career and sociology for about 10 years.
Hannah: I left my full time job in August where I was head of a department. It was a big department although it was teaching music which I loved and had studied music for my degree. But I felt like I'd lost that musical creative side of myself, and got sucked into the world of managing people. I had a big team of teachers and visiting music teachers and that was a whole interesting management challenge in itself. I mainly just worked on logistics and I felt like I just got to the point where it wasn't giving me what I wanted or needed anymore. When I left, I wanted to try and set up an interior design business, which seems a bit random from being a music teacher, but in the background for the last probably 10 years or so, my husband and I have bought a couple of different houses and renovated them. And the one we live in at the moment, and have lived in for 5 or 6 years. They were the kinds of renovation that we had to put lots of time and energy into, but it gave me a real flavour of that world of interior design. So that was my kind of pull in that direction. But I think a bit like you, I just wanted to give myself some time to regroup and see what else was out there, see if the interior design worked, but also not necessarily throw everything into that immediately. And so far no regrets at all. In fact, it's probably the best decision I ever made.Â
Thinking about achievement
Hannah: With the teaching, I think that I felt like it got to a point in my role that I'd strived for which was head of the department, and in teaching after that, essentially, you might look to become an assistant head or a deputy head, and then later, who knows? A head of a school? And I just got to the point where none of that appealed to me. I think the pandemic just made me see the side of what those people in those positions were having to deal with. My sister was the head of a department and it was just horrendous. Zoom calls at all times at night, and things like that. I felt like I got to that point where I'd achieve the things within a school context that I wanted to. But I didn't think I wanted to climb that ladder anymore. And I think that idea of achievement is something that we've talked about a little bit, and I know you've got quite a lot of thoughts on that. So how do you think about things like achievement in your career? And now in what you're doing?Â
Sarah: Yeah, really good question. I think that we often see it as related to external things. It's like we hit certain milestones. So, within teaching for the first few years, I think, for anybody who has been a teacher, or if anybody wants to know about teaching, you know you're just trying to survive to begin with, or even when you move to a new school. Sometimes it feels like you are just trying to sort of get through and understand more about a curriculum or how pastoral issues are with students, and just generally how the school operates. And then, once you become a bit more confident, you may decide to apply for certain responsibilities. So, I was the head of a department and that was when I was working in Vietnam. And it was a really interesting time, because there was a lot I enjoyed about the role. But it felt in some ways that I was moving away from the subjects that I really enjoyed teaching, and developing the curriculum and just learning more about those subjects and it became more about managing people. Now, you could argue as a psychologist, you might be like, well, actually managing people's kind of a good way to understand more about people and like, understand how people tick. But it's just got… There was just too much drama! There were too many things to try and sort of manage. And then you've got the sort of the layers of hierarchy above you, which bring their own demands, and particularly working in the secondary high school sort of phase of a school. You've also got exam results, and you know that that in itself can be very stressful.Â
Sarah: Having said that, you could argue that there's milestones with that. These students have got these amazing results, or whatever that might be. But after certainly a decade in the job, I realised just how much of the job involves ticking boxes. And with those achievements you obviously want to help the students, whether it's with exam results or just helping them get through a course or just enjoying the course, whatever you're doing. But it just became less creatively sort of satisfying for me. And I hate to use the word bored, but I think in some respects I was a little bored by 14/15 years into the job. I thought, I'm keen to do something else, but I knew that management and moving on and upwards was not really for me, or at least not right now, I mean, who knows? Maybe in 10 years time I might. It might be something that you know, I'd like to pursue.
Hannah: No, it's interesting. You say that maybe in 10 years time, because I've kind of thought that in a way that whilst I've stepped away, or aside because I am still teaching a little bit, I've got a part time job, but it feels so much further removed. It feels like a job rather than part of me like my old job did where it consumed all of me. This one just feels like, ‘Oh, well, on a Monday and a Tuesday and a Thursday. I, you know, toddle off down the road, and then I'm back by about 4 in the afternoon’. It's a whole different thing. But you say about possibly going back into it in 10 years time, or whenever is interesting. When you step away from something it doesn't have to be forever. And I think both of us feel that we don't know what the future might bring. We're open to if and when things might arise. It’s not a closed door with teaching.
Sarah: No, but I'd be curious to ask you this question actually, but when you decided to hand your notice in for the job that you had, how did you feel leading up to that sort of last day in that school like? Were you excited?
Hannah: I was so excited I knew as soon as I had handed in my notice. I wrote a letter, an actual physical letter, and I went and handed it to the head because I had a really good relationship with the head, and I got on really well with him. And that was quite hard, but I wanted to go, and physically give it to him, which I did. The sense of relief, it was amazing. And because I handed in my notice at the end of March, people obviously knew that I was going and they would come up to me in the kind of courtyard of the school and say: ‘Alright, you've got such a spring in your step’, you know. Apparently, I'm still skipping around in a way that I just hadn't been for a long time. So it was little things like that that I think just kind of helped me to. I just knew it was the right thing. Yeah, and I was excited. I was sad about some aspects of leaving, but not hugely.
On creativity
Hannah: Do you feel that you're now able to kind of access and get back into some creative hobbies that maybe you weren't doing when you were teaching?Â
Sarah: I'm very lucky that I am able to take a career break because with substitute or supply teaching you don't necessarily know when work is gonna come in. You know, you can get a call in the morning and like, we need you today. And then it could, you could be going a couple of months between that and the next job. So I'm very lucky that I made sure that I had enough savings. So at least I could do at least 6 months, if not a little bit more (of not working). Also, I'm very lucky that my husband is very supportive as well. But the creative hobbies are funny, because I've always really enjoyed sewing and embroidery. I can't make clothes or anything, although that might be something that I'd like to pursue somewhere down the line. I make a good cushion cover. But just having the time to be able to like going to the market to buy the fabric. It's not to say that I didn't necessarily have the time, but when I was working full time, just having the head space to think, ‘I'm gonna go to the market today. I'm gonna go buy these fabrics. I'm gonna wander around. I'm gonna buy, you know xyz’. That is certainly one thing that has boosted my confidence actually as well. Just knowing that I've got a little bit of space and time to pursue some of the creative things that I always loved doing. Yeah, I sacrificed and to an extent I chose to not do those things because I was working on other stuff.Â
Hannah: But do you think because I feel like with a lot of that stuff, it's not necessarily that we perhaps chose not to do them. Gradually, those things drifted out of our consciousness or out of our lives a little bit, because we got so involved in our job, and then you forget what it feels like to do them. And you don't prioritise it anymore.Â
Sarah: I agree with you. I think it's almost like things fall out of our orbit. If we're doing something regularly things become a bit more habitual, whether that's going to the gym or something. But also, when you have half an hour, or however long you've got to, whether it's to do a bit of writing or so on. How about you? How do you feel with the creative stuff?Â
Hannah: I've got perhaps got to the point now where I need to just calm it down a little bit, and stop myself from doing some things. I had a really interesting conversation with my mum a few months back when we went away for the weekend in early January. We were talking about this idea of coming back to things that you used to like doing when you were a child or a teenager, but perhaps just got out of the habit of doing. We both agreed that there were so many things that you know, we used to enjoy doing and then just stopped doing them, such as sketching. Like you say sewing, making something when you're a kid. Well, I don't know about you, but when I was probably 10 or 11 for my birthday for Christmas, people would buy me craft kits or like you should be getting stuff like that because that's just what you do at that age. But you know at the age of 38, people don't really buy you painting my numbers for your birthday, or whatever guess that makes sense. I'm not suggesting, though I want it's that kind of you know. It's acceptable at a younger age, and then it kind of like, say, it falls out of our orbit. I like this, I like that phrase. And so it's just I feel like I've given myself some head space in order to kind of just remember what it feels like to do some of these things again. I've been trying to kind of make a point of making time to occasionally revisit stuff like that, and just see what direction it leads into. And actually, one of the things that kind of has helped but on my Substack, I occasionally do this Create Ensemble session, which is just like an online meeting, one-hour usually on a Wednesday evening, UK time. But people can just join, and we have a little chat at the start, and then we just for an hour have our sound muted. But cameras are on and we just do something creative. A lot of people come on that and just write and I do that sometimes. When I've done those sessions, I use that time to try some different things. So one week I did some drawing. I used to enjoy drawing when I was younger, but I was never, you know, I was never particularly amazing at it and I find it quite therapeutic and I did it for a bit. But it didn't suck me back in. I wasn't like ‘I need to do this more’. And then another week, I started to think about this, but I love earrings, and I've got loads of different colorful, like polymer clay earrings. I was like, maybe I could make some, so I just bought some clay on Amazon that was. And I was like, maybe I'll just experiment with it. And when I started doing that, I was oh, my God, I love this! And then the next week I think I did some more, and I've done a bit more since. And these are all just totally random things. But you know it's not like I have any huge hopes for it. But I just really enjoy doing it, and there was a lot of pleasure in that.
Sarah: I have seen your earrings on Notes, and you mentioned it in one of your posts. They are stunning. Honestly, they're beautiful.Â
Hannah: I love working with colour, and I think that probably links into my enjoyment of interior design and just visual things. And so those things seem to feed into each other. I guess it's giving ourselves some time and some space which I totally agree with you. I think we both feel quite fortunate that we're in a position where we were able to do it. But I think also, if I'd said to myself if I told myself two years ago that now I would be in this situation, I would say I can't. You can't do that. You won't be able to afford to do that. You won't. You know? How are you gonna manage? How do you get it? I'd have gone down all the negative questions which I went through many times. But actually, I think that I've proved to myself that you can make changes if you make sacrifices. If you believe in those sacrifices enough, or you believe in the change that you might be able to make, then it sort of makes it worthwhile. I am definitely more creative. And I'm kind of excited just to see where each creative project goes.Â
Sarah: That's wonderful!
Hannah: And you, you've been doing lots of photography as well, haven't you?Â
Sarah: Yeah, so iPhone cameras are great (for the immediacy) but I remember I bought my first DSLR about 7 or 8 years ago-ish when I was still living in Vietnam. And so I'd go off with one of my friends who also worked at the same school, and she was a photographer. And she taught me some of the basics, and it's just about feeling comfortable with the medium. I suppose I just never felt very comfortable with having this camera and now, what do I do with it? For a long time, I didn't make a point of going out and spending time doing photography. I'm still trying to figure out why that was. It was a period of probably about 3 or 4 years. It coincided with Covid and I suppose I just wasn't inspired to go out and take pictures of empty streets and that sort of stuff. I saw a lot of people who did go out actually and did see some amazing shoots where they were taking pictures of people wearing masks and stuff like that (to document the period). But I just wasn't in a very good headspace for that. More recently, via Substack I have seen how you can slowly become woven a little bit into the ecosystem. And you follow different people, and you see what people are commenting on. There are people doing photography here and that's wonderful. And there are challenges which I know you're about too.
Hannah: Well, I think I found them through you.Â
Sarah: But yeah, it's just amazing. And I know the one that we're talking about, Patrick's page. He is so open with these challenges, isn't he? So, initially they scare the hell out of me. To be honest, it's a really weird feeling or the thoughts that I have when I see the challenges, I'm like, what can you do? You know? What can you take a photo of? Why, you have nothing to offer here, all a lot of negative thoughts that come into my mind. But then, actually, when you sort of try and just go hang on, just slow down. Maybe see what other people are, you know, posting and sort of go from there. Then things become a bit more organic. And it's like, okay, I think I can do this.
Hannah: Yeah, definitely. And I think for the purposes of anybody who might be listening or reading this, and doesn't know what we're talking about. So there's a link to his page in this post. It's called the
, I think, isn't it? And every couple of weeks he posts a new challenge, and it gives a topic for the photography challenge of that particular week. And he asks people to submit photos, and he gives you a few guidelines. But it's very much open to anybody, isn't it? And it's very welcoming. It's a very nice safe space just to kind of put something out there. And I am absolutely not a photographer at all. I only have an iPhone. And I I love taking photos. But there's no skill involved in what I do, really but I just really enjoyed looking at people's photos and occasionally submitting some on there as well. But about Substack in general, what have you found over the past 5 or 6 months, has it changed the way you think about things creatively?Sarah: It's been a very interesting experience. Some of the thoughts I have had behind the scenes, and not always necessarily entirely positive. I think I need to elaborate on that! But I'm gonna be really honest. I get envious. I'm envious of some of the work that people are doing. Going back to photography, I now follow and subscribe to other people's newsletters. I am like, ‘Wow, l'm amazed and stunned by these fantastic photography newsletters. And then I'm like, well, yeah, but you can't take pictures like that’. And it's really interesting how some comparisons come in. In the early days that was how I was feeling. More recently, that's subsided as I become a bit more comfortable with just sticking with the photography and just kind of going, ‘What the hell! And just go and take some photos and just think, enjoy the process’. Just get on with it. If you want to post stuff. Great! If you don't feel like posting anything, it's not the end of the world. Just enjoy it, and that comparison monster is being tamed.
Focusing on the process, not the outcome
Hannah: Yeah, that's good. But I also want to pick up on that. We've just said about enjoying the process, because I think I can really associate with that, because I think for so many years of my life I have constantly been chasing the end goal of something. You know, whether it's a promotion, or whether it's getting something finished and ticked off. And actually, in the last 6, 8 months since I've had a bit more time and headspace, I'm so much more interested in the process of something rather than necessarily the end result. Because I think when you have the time to stop and pause, when you're in the process of something, whatever it might be, you can actually realise that that's where a lot of the joy and the challenge. An example for me is that when I started doing podcasts, I started doing it in September, October, when I first recorded some episodes. And it was one of these things that just kind of came to me. I was like, I'm just gonna do it. And I don't know anything, really about podcasting. I've got a bit of audio editing knowledge from being a music teacher. And then quite a few people were interested in being interviewed, which was wonderful. And then I got to the point in about November, where my diary was so busy with scheduled recordings with people that I'd look at my week, and I'd be like ‘My God, I'm doing a podcast interview on Tuesday and be at school all day on Tuesday. And then I'd be like right? And then I'm doing a podcast interview in the evening when I get home. And then they'd be like another one on Friday morning, of course, there is a lot of editing and stuff’. I didn't have to put them all out day after day, or anything like that. I could spread out the time when they were being put out into the world. But there were times within that where I'd get home from work, and I'd be like, ‘I just wanna crash on the sofa and watch the TV, but I need to go and get myself into the headspace of interview mode’. But equally, I was telling myself that I would really enjoy it when I was in the zone of doing it, and that was always the case. So I really kept trying to remind myself of the things that I was enjoying about it. And the other thing I kept trying to say to myself was, you will miss this when all these recordings are done. You want that kind of buzz of going back to it. So that's like just one example. But I think it is quite important to try and remind ourselves regularly. That the process is challenging. And there can be times when you just think, ‘I don't want to do this anymore’. But actually those thoughts are quite important, aren't they? And they're important to sort of reflect on and think about and we often do miss things when they're then over.
Sarah: I think it's something that you alluded to is thinking about where you want to put your energy. You mentioned about the sketching earlier, and then, and the fact that you enjoyed it. But it wasn't drawing you in necessarily, but with the earrings you found that much more stimulating, or there was a different kind of stimulation. And then referring back to the podcast, once you got into it, as you say, then that it's different. But it kind of comes back to like what's drawing you in? Where's your energy? Where's it going? How are you feeling at that time? And then, just to sort of hark a little bit to the teaching again. There's so much joy that you can find in teaching, but you're often thinking about, okay, I've got to do this next. It's literally what's next. What's next? All the time. And you don't really get a lot of opportunities to sort of reflect on stuff.
On perfectionism
Hannah: That's really true. Actually, that's one of the things I find most frustrating about teaching is that I know that if we were all given a bit more time for planning because even after 16 years of doing it. Yes, I can walk into a class of 13 year olds, and probably just teach them for an hour and and find a way through without really planning in too much detail. But I also know that the lessons that I have had time to really think about and carefully consider are better. And that the kids get more out of it. But the way the system is certainly where I work at the moment. I work three days a week, and I only have two or three lessons where I'm not teaching out of 18. I teach 15 out of 18 periods, and often I get put on cover on one or two of those. So there's very little time in the day to actually do your planning, do your marking, and I try really hard not to take it home with me, because I don't frankly don't get paid enough to do it for it to be kind of sprawling over into other aspects of life. Perhaps it's the slight perfectionist in me which I'm trying to kind of move away from a bit. But I think it is frustrating when you think well, if we were given a little bit more time to reflect because the reflection is really important, isn't it?Â
Sarah: I think it's interesting what you mentioned as well about perfectionism, because I can definitely relate to that. And I think that's certainly what I'm learning to lessen my grip on when it comes to Substack in particular, because I just said a few moments ago about envy. The comparison is because I was trying to perfect every single aspect of that early incarnation of my newsletter. And even now, I'll hit myself over the head if I've published something, and there's a minor error in it. You beat yourself up, whereas now it's interesting how I'm just becoming a little bit more relaxed the longer that I'm working on the platform. Do you feel something similar, because you've been publishing for longer than I have?
Hannah: Yeah, I think in the earlier days it probably was a lot more self critical, a lot more self critical of things like that. But I have definitely learned to just kind of chill out a bit more with it, and as you say if you make a typo, we all make typos, even with the best amount of proofreading in the world. You still go back, and you think ‘Oh, no, I missed that’. But I just go and edit it afterwards. I know it, whatever's gone into people's inboxes is in the inbox, and I think I just try and kind of let it go a little bit. Because otherwise, you can just kind of sort of focus on those things which don't really matter, and sometimes it makes me feel better. Sounds slightly strange, but when I read other people's Substack posts, and sometimes highly, highly successful people that have got hundreds of thousands of subscribers. And there are typos in them, because everybody does it. So, that always makes me feel a bit better. But I think also it's the realisation that Rome wasn't built in a day, these things take time to develop, to build. And I feel the same way about my design business. I'm not trying to just do everything all at once and I think Substack is probably a bit like that. It's the kind of repetition of doing something that really starts to build in so many ways. Hopefully, it builds subscribers. It also builds confidence in what you're doing because you get feedback from people. And it's just like any skill, isn't it? Just like, if you repeat it lots and lots of times. Then you incrementally get a little bit better. And I guess that's certainly what seems to happen with writing.
Sarah: Would you say that your concept, or idea of achievement has changed?
Hannah: Yeah, probably in the last year, I think I've become much less goal orientated and if you said to me, ‘Well, what do you want your goal to be with your interior design business?’ I actually don't really know. Maybe that's terrible. I don't know. But what I know is that I'm enjoying where I am at the moment I'm enjoying it, you know. I've got a few clients and I'm working on some ways of building a bit of advertising, but I'm enjoying the process of learning about that. That's a whole new kind of world of business that I literally had no idea about, and that I've started to kind of delve into so I want to enjoy that. I don't want to take on too much work all in one go because then I think I'll find myself back to being burned out, as I felt 12-18 months ago in a different, you know, a different role. I don't know what the goal is. I guess the goal is for me along the way to feel satisfied with the work and fulfilled creatively. And I do feel like that at the moment. But that's not a tangible goal. Do you know what I mean? That's just a bit of a feeling, but I don't think I would have. A year ago I think I would have thought that was a bit bonkers. How about you?
Sarah: In terms of my concept of achievement. I completely agree with you. I'm not in the same industry as you, I'm not an interior designer, but if I think about that question again of what my goals might be, I suppose right now, actually, one of my goals is to try and publish my research that I completed last year for my postgraduate degree. And so that's something that I've been sort of steadily working on since I submitted it, which would be the last October/November time. Again, it's interesting, because there is a goal there, if I can get this published. But again, I'm realising that it’s in the process where you can find some real sort of interesting stuff, and you can find out a lot more about yourself in terms of what you know when you prefer to work, and even things like just the granular stuff or like the actual editing process is really helpful. Actually, the academic stuff that I'm looking at is really helpful for me to think and translate to the newsletter that I write. Editing actually has probably been the biggest thing just to learn about. I think about the newsletter and you might draft something and think I've got this idea to write about whatever this is. And then actually, you find that a good chunk of that is just peripheral. It doesn't really add anything. So again, just kind of linking those two things together. And the actual product being my dissertation and getting that published hopefully, we'll see. I'm learning about the process and myself as I go along. I don't know if that really answers the question!
Hannah: Yeah, you've got a goal. But equally you know that there are things along the way that you like. You want to kind of soak up all that stuff as you go, and you don't just bypass it in order to get to the point, I suppose? And I think it's perhaps also worth thinking about and what happens when that goal is achieved? Where do you see yourself next? But equally, I'm very much a believer that we don't have to map everything out. Especially as teachers we work by the school calendar and academic years. Everything is mapped out. And I'm really trying to push away from that and just be like, ‘Okay, let's just focus on this day this week, you know, maybe a few this month’. But do I need to plan everything well into the future? Not necessarily. And I think it's just trying to get out of that institutionalised mindset.Â
Sarah: I do wonder if it ever leaves. I'd be curious. My mum was a teacher. She's retired.
Hannah: Mine too.
Sarah: And she still works in academic years! She still asked me when half time is, and I'm like, Mum, I'm actually not teaching now.Â
Hannah: I think we should probably kind of wrap up a little bit, but I guess we want to just end by concluding and saying that if there's anyone out there listening teacher's, ex teachers, people who want to ask questions about leaving, teaching, or people that are not teachers!
Sarah: Or people who want to go into teaching.
Hannah: But yeah, like, if we'd be really interested to hear anyone's thoughts on anything that we've kind of touched on today. So there'll definitely be an opportunity for some comments and questions which we can try and answer at some point. But yeah, it's been really nice to chat.
Sarah: Lovely to chat. And thank you very much. And looking forward to hearing what people think and what they think about their own achievements actually over, whether it's a particular career or particular project that they've been working on, or just general life as well.
Hannah: No, I think that'd be great. Well, thank you.
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What a lovely thing to wake up to, several days later, but I very much appreciate the mention and the discussion around the challenges! I'm glad you both feel welcomed in the community! Can't wait to see what you'll submit in future challenges! 😊